. >> goldie, what's incredibly striking to me is ted cruz where he comes from, texas the highest rate of uninsured in the country. is it even conceivable his stand to take down this health care ta could help so many texans, is there any way this could be popular in texas? >> well, unfortunately, it really is. if you look at the road to economic mobility, it is a pot mark filled with sinkholes today. it would be people like ted cruz who don't want to the fill in that will infrastructure, who feel like they don't want to use their hard earned dollars to help other people. those other people get things like quality health care access to quality basic education. those kinds of things that would, you know, help them along this economic trail. so there's really an us versus them kind of mentality going on. unfortunately, it has taken root, you know, among grass-roots republicans. >> karen, and despite all of that, you know, to goldie's point, this is a grassroots issue. it is popular with the base. cruz is still looked at a conceivable presidential candidate. i want to read you, speaking of